During our 2022 interview with celebrated chef Rick Bayless, he confessed -- and you can tell, it's not under duress (though maybe under the influence of a few copitas) -- his love for ketchup, and specifically Heinz Ketchup. Check it out!

Normally, Chava and I interview someone for an hour, pull a 90-second quote from that interview, then build an episode by bickering around that quote. But when Chef Rick Bayless agrees to an interview, you just run the whole thing! Although Chema Skandal’s outstanding episode cover suggests that Chef was bitten by a radioactive taco, we get into the real origins of how he went from a childhood in a barbecue restaurant in Oklahoma to building the family-run empire that is Frontera! (Hint: it involves charcoal, walnuts, pecans, and gas station mole!)